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ATSC 3.0 News - Final Layout


- Posted June 8th, 2020 at 12:35pm

Well, I just now found out the final layout of the 3.0 setup: where 1.0 channels will go, which broadcast channels will go 3.0, etc. WNAB's RF channel 30 will become the second 3.0 station in Nashville. It will broadcast WKRN's and some of WZTV's 3.0 channels. In return, WKRN will broadcast WNAB's 1.0 58.1 CW programming, while WTVF will broadcast WNAB's 1.0 58.2, 58.3, and 58.4 progamming. So, it looks like WZTV will split up its 3.0 channels. Some will go on WUXP's 3.0 station while others will go to WNAB's 3.0 station. It is all listed below as it will be on June 23rd after 10am. The (1) and (2) next to WZTV just means that it is split up. I don't have any information where WZTV's 3.0 channels will individually end up. If you have any questions about any of this, please feel free to either comment below or contact me by going to the contact page here. Until more news breaks, that's all for now.


ATSC 3.0 stations
WUXP RF 21 → WTVF, WZTV(1), and WUXP
WNAB RF 30 → WNAB, WZTV(2), and WKRN

Participating ATSC 1.0 stations
WKRN RF 27 → 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, and 58.1
WTVF RF 36 → 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 58.2, 58.3, and 58.4
WZTV RF 20 → 17.1, 17.2, 17.3, 30.1, 30.2, and 30.3


19 Comments



Random Guy
- Posted on June 9th, 2020 at 3:29am

So I am to assume that WUXP will host it's main and sub-channels WTVF main and sub-channels and WZTV main channel. WNAB will host it's main and sub-channels WKRN main and sub-channels and WZTV sub channels? Not sure how WSMV moves to 3.0. I guess they can team up with WNPT . Not sure how an ATSC 1.0 station can host 2 HD channels and 6 SD sub channels though. I'm not sure how the stations that are moving to ATSC 3.0 are going to have decent quality 1.0 signals. Might drive some people back to cable. And people expect 4K over the ATSC 3.0 signal anytime soon are going to be sorely disappointed. I wonder how many years before Jackson TN moves to ATSC 3.0 since those stations are easier for me to get in. Except for FOX which both FOX stations in Jackson and Nashville play stupid games with their signal which makes both impossible to get in.



gregsfc
- Posted on June 14th, 2020 at 5:31pm

@Random Guy. I think WUXP rf-21 according to what was reported, hosts only it's own main channel; it's main channel and also its subchannels in 1.0 will be on WZTV's signal from the way I read it.


Random Guy
- Posted on June 15th, 2020 at 12:05pm

I'm not talking about the 1.0 channels since RF 21 obviously a 3.0 channel now. RF 21 will be WUXP all it's subchannels, WTVF and all it's subchannels and WZTV main channel. That is what I'm guessing


gregsfc
- Posted on June 9th, 2020 at 4:46am

Wow! Thanks! Great spy work Nashdigie. Personally, I'm not worried at this time about getting all of this specific info organized in my head. It'll clear up after the rescan date. Basically, the three-corporation consortium will have displayed far more teamwork and have gone much further than I would have imagined bringing multiple programming channels on the new standard. The interesting part now will be how all of this will get promoted, because it will start off with cost but with no revenue. I can understand why they are sharing the pain. Think about that...two large and expensive transmitting antennae, with all the equipment neccessary to broadcast in high power, the maintenance and operating expense, with not a single viewer to start out; or very few. I think we're the only ones who know besides insiders. I'm sure that will all soon change.



n2radio
- Posted on June 15th, 2020 at 1:06pm

These changes to accommodate ATSC 3.0 stations will mean viewers in Nashville's fringe viewing area(s) will get a strange list of channels. Since WZTV and WNAB have finished their upgrade, they've both been solid for me North of Bowling Green, KY. However, I have always gotten a very marginal signal for WKRN. It's 50/50 at any given time for WKRN in my area. It's never been an issue because we get ABC programming on WBKO 13-1. Unfortunately, mere weeks after finally get CW58 back, I am about to lose it (our only option for CW HD as it is in SD on WBKO 13-3). When CW58 begins channel sharing with WKRN next week, I will lose a reliable CW signal in HD again. The strange part is, I will get 58.2, 58.3 and 58.4 with a stronger signal than ever when the channel sharing begins with WTVF. So, for me, I will lose 58-1 and get improved an improved signal for their sub-channels. How confusing will that be for viewers who do not understand the changes? On the flip side, I can't wait to get an ATSC 3.0 tuner as WUXP has always been my most reliable Nashville station and WNAB is now pretty solid!



NashDigie
- Posted on June 15th, 2020 at 3:10pm

I am in the same boat as you concerning WKRN. Even though I am in a great area to receive WKRN, I can barely receive WKRN because there is a big hill just behind my house that is in the path to WKRN in southern Davidson County while I have an antenna pointed towards a clear horizon to northern Davidson County where all the other channels are located. I have no problems with receiving those channels. By the way, I live east of Nashville. I might be able to receive WBXX from Knoxville but there is also another hill in that direction as well. I may try to do something about the antenna I have for WKRN. I may move it or try to do something else with it.


Random Guy
- Posted on June 15th, 2020 at 7:47pm

Even though I'm technically in Nashville DMA since I'm 75 mi;ls away only WKRN is the most reliable in my area. WTVF was actually the best back when it was broadcasting it digital signal on RF at 22 kW but you had to have a low-UHF antenna. Now it's at 3 kW and when it was broadcasting on RF 25 it just wan't quite reliable as WRKN I suspect even less so now that it's on RF 36. The rest you can forget about any daytime viewing and even nighttime was iffy. A combination of not broadcasting at full power and/or using directional antennas. WZTV is especially guilty in the directional dept where their 100 kW signal effective power is lowered to 155 kW in my area and that's not going to cut it. The Fox station out of "Jackson" has the issue of broadcasting at 192 kW so I'm out pf luck in either direction. Also doesn't help that since the repack the FOX and PBS station out of Jackson decided to choose RF 21 and RF 27 as their new channels. So even if I could get in all the channels I actually couldn't. I'm not sure how the FCC allowed the PBS station out of Jackson to have CH 27 when it's transmitter is 102 miles away from WKRNs transmitter.


NashDigie
- Posted on June 15th, 2020 at 9:56pm

First off, WTVF is still broadcasting its VHF channel 5 signal at 22kw, and second, yes I completely agree with you about the FCC allowing that one Jackson station going to RF channel 27 being so close to WKRN.


Random Guy
- Posted on June 16th, 2020 at 9:08am

As far as I know it's 3 kw that's what Rabbitears.info has it at. I've seen where they filed to use 22 kW but I'm not sure if they meant that as temporary or permanent. Originally WLJT was supposed to go to CH 14 then they switched to 27. I'm not sure what was wrong with 14? WTVF https://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=aad4c3d822da491e8446cf6212b6c0ea&site=3


NashDigie
- Posted on June 16th, 2020 at 1:36pm

WTVF, every now and then, applies for a legal STA (special temporary authority) to continue to operate RF channel 5 at 22kw. You can see their recent notice to the FCC here. - https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/dataentry/api/download/attachment/25076ff3703684f201704539c6681474


Random Guy
- Posted on June 16th, 2020 at 4:48pm

Well that's my point it's a STA which means the FCC can come back and say "Nope back to 3 kW" at 22 kW I can get that here with a proper antenna 3 kW no way.


itgrouch
- Posted on June 16th, 2020 at 2:59am

While I am glad that ATSC 3.0 is going to hopefully alleviate a great deal of reception issues and bring forth new technology, its going to be years before ATSC 1.0 stations go dark. Reading the comments here, it is clear there are going to be reception issues for a lot of people. I remember the big issue WTVF had when they decided to put their ATSC 1.0 signal on VHF 5 solely. It was a big mess. I am afraid we're going to see a similar situation with these changes.



jimb2341321
- Posted on June 16th, 2020 at 9:57am

are the channels going to be listed the same way after we scan or is for example 58.2 now be 5.4?



NashDigie
- Posted on June 16th, 2020 at 1:40pm

Yes, they will still be displaying like they are now, it's just going to be that 58.1 will be coming from WKRN and 58.2-58.4 will be coming from WTVF and 30.1-30.3 from WZTV.


gregsfc
- Posted on June 17th, 2020 at 5:56am

It baffles me that broadcast stations, or in this case, a group of broadcast stations working together, which is basically like a public utility, are allowed by the FCC to migrate content to different signals without extensive communications with the people they serve. In this case, two of the signals will no longer be broadcasting in a format that anyone can receive. What if a particular viewer, for instance, was currently receiving tv on only three signals in total, and two of those three signals were RF-21 and RF-30? That would leave that particular viewer with only one signal received, and he or she may not know it until going dark and then calling the station and finding out what has happened after the fact. I'm not complaining about this move personally. I think it will help me get more content, even though the content sucks; and thank God for Nashdigie's digging. It's just that I can't see how it is allowed by the FCC. It would be like electricity going from 60 to 50 hz without telling the public they've got to go out and get all new clocks or they'll be late for work next week. Daniel Somes with Sinclair told me that they've been communicating for three weeks with the public, but since I'm dark on WZTV about 10% of the time; dark on WNAB all the time, it would be hard for me to have learned this without this website. And it doesn't help that WZTV and WNAB has very little on that most people could stand to watch. I did a google search with the tab "news" clicked on, and everything I got that came up was from last October.



Random Guy
- Posted on June 17th, 2020 at 6:51am - Edited

WZTV, WUXP and WNAB have had notices on their websites for nearly a month Friday, May 22nd 2020 https://fox17.com/news/local/do-you-watch-fox-17-over-the-air-youll-need-to-rescan-on-or-after-june-23


gregsfc
- Posted on June 20th, 2020 at 6:04am

The notices I found imformed folks to rescan. The notices I found on WUXP and WNAB were the generic rescan instructions going back to October. On June 19, WZTV produced an online article, finally, four days before all this hopping around occurs, that NextGen TV is coming. They explain what it is and what new features it will allow, but still fails to detail which channels are going where a d which signals will carry NextGen. The article seems to indicate that Fox 17 will carry the NextGen signal along with WUXP. That's confusing. Isn't WZTV, aka Fox 17 on Rf-20 https://fox17.com/news/local/nextgen-tv-coming-to-nashville



Random Guy
- Posted on June 20th, 2020 at 7:49am - Edited

There were notices on Fox to re-scan because of ATSC 3.0 going back to May 22. As far as WUXP and WNAB I noticed the notices about ATSC 3.0 in early June. and that's just when I went to those site how knows how long before then those were up.


Random Guy
- Posted on June 20th, 2020 at 7:54am

Saw where on a filing to the FCC where WNAB clearly stated they were broadcasting their main and WKRN main on ATSC 3.0 and that's all. They aren't not going to broadcast the subchannels. I have to assume that WUXP will be doing the same


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